An online forum on Educating Service Children run by the House of Commons Defence Committee

Teachers

We would like to hear from teachers who work, or have worked, in Service schools abroad, or with Service children in UK schools, and from other educationalists.

  • Does the mobility of Service children cause particular issues?
  • Are there problems with information moving between schools?
  • Are there curriculum issues, particularly for those moving between different parts of the UK?
  • What are the positive aspects of working within a garrison community?
  • What has been your experience of teaching the children of Service personnel? Are there particular issues, and what needs to be done to address these?

This forum is now closed

Posted by Ross on 26/05/2006 - 15:49

Hello.

This consultation forum is now closed. Posting is no longer possible. The forum will remain open so that you can read the posts that were made between April 18 – May 26 2006.

To see the Defence Committee’s closing statement please visit the forum’s homepage.

Thank you.

Ross
Hansard Society, Moderation Team

Pupil Mobility

Posted by Christine Bird on 26/05/2006 - 13:06

I have been the Headteacher at Marlborough Infant School in Aldershot for the past 6 years, and was previously the wife of a serving RAF Officer with 2 children. I have therefore experience of 'Mobility' from both sides of the fence.
The issues raised through mobility are many and complex at pupil, parent, school and teacher levels. For children, the social and emotional issues vary considerably; some appear to cope and show little sign of trauma when leaving or joining the school, whilst others are noticeably affected. Interestingly, it is not just the children who leave the school who show signs of distress, often it is the friends who are left behind who have lost someone they really care for. Preparing and supporting children through this delicate period is therefore essential and time consuming if pupils are to be able to enjoy and achieve. For children with Special Educational Needs this is particularly the case.
It never ceases to amaze me, the number of children with SEN who appear to have 'lost' their SENs en route from their previous school, only after a call to their last school to confirm our initial assessments does the level of support previously given to a child become clear. This is an area where improved school to school liaison would enable us to prepare for needy newcomers more quickly.
At curriculum level, teachers frequently comment on the different experiences and approaches to learning that children bring with them from previous schools. Particularly for children arriving from Scotland, Ireland and Wales, the lack of ability to work independently and make their own decisions is a frequent concern when adjusting to the demands of the National Curriculum.
Providing stability of teaching and support staff for mobile children is, I believe, a significant factor in providing a secure and balanced platform for learning. This feature was identified as an outstanding strength in our school's recent successful OFSTED inspection.
In conclusion, leading a school with 98% of its pupils coming from service backgrounds is highly rewarding, never dull, mutually beneficial and always great fun.
These children are delightful with a wealth of experiences to share!
I never stop learning from them.

What SCE should do

Posted by S Boothroyd on 25/05/2006 - 19:27

I'm Austin Boothroyd, DHT of Derby School, Osnabruck, Germany.
The one thing I think SCE should do to improve the education of service children is to truly understand the social and emotional impact of high rates of turbulence on children and their families. There are exciting developments in trying to pool understandings through the Mobility 2 training project, in conjunction with NCSL, but the quantity of individuals who move and the individuality of their needs are continuously underestimated. Childhood needs stability, and where stabiity is impossible mobile children need teachers, helpers and carers who have motivation to support them before, during and after their brief presence in an SCE school.

Rounding things off

Posted by Committee Member on 24/05/2006 - 12:21

I think you will agree that the web forum has aired many interesting issues relating to educating Service children. I would like to thank everyone who has contributed. As we enter the last few days of the forum, I would like to pose the following question: what is the one thing that MoD/DfES should do to improve the experience of Service children in education?

Adam Holloway MP

mobility/garrison life

Posted by gprocter on 19/05/2006 - 05:38

Mobility is a no1 factor for sce schools. In my opinion there is inconsistency in received records/reports. Sme schools wont send them with parents and there is a delay in settling children. I feel SCE schools are good at settling in new children but are perhaps less good at helping them prepare for a move and say goodye. SCE should be the best at mobility as it is a key factor for every school, it is recognising this and setting up a key project.
The average 11 year old at my school has been to 4.3 schools.The average stay is just 5 terms. Working out the real merit of the school is not just about headline SAT figures.
The biggest single impact on standards and children's family lives would be to try to make all mjor battalion moves happen through the summer holiday and/or less often. Mid year diruptions are the hardest to the school, the incoming children and those children not affeted by the move who are already settled in class.
Life abroard gives children a unique experience and garrisons are very generous in support eg from letting santa arrive by helicopter to organising sports and outward bound trips for children. This support is highly significant and valuable.
Service children are wonderful and have great personality and enthusiasm. They do cope with change well on the outside but the older they get the more they are affected by loss of friendships. Again for those left behind it can be equally upsetting.
On a personal note I have worked for 27 years for SCE taught in 7 schools in 4 countries, seen my children thrive through SCE and into University and feel that I have been priviledged to have had the opportunity to try to give the best to our forces' families. They deserve it.

Financial Leadership and Management in SCE Schools

Posted by SueWareham on 18/05/2006 - 09:18

Having been a head teacher in SCE for three years following 3 headships and an advisory post in UK, I can confidently state that the quality of education in our schools is of a high standard, confirmed by inspection outcomes. Having managed a fully delegated budget in the UK for over 15 years it was difficult to adjust to the SCE system when I first arrived. However, the level of resourcing , both human and material is very good to support pupil learning in this mobile society.
The points regarding delegation of funding made by Ian are very relevant. In the short time since he returned to the UK, things have begun to change for the better; since April 05, secondary and middle schools have had fully delegated funding and a group of 4 primary schools are trialling this during 06/07, in anticipation of primary heads deciding whether to go down this route or not from April '07. SCE has tried hard to convince MOD that we need financial 'roll over' but the MOD cannot/will not change their rules. SCE has looked at how we can successfully work round this; planned and agreed overspend/underspend is being supported where possible, to try and alleviate the problem of annuality. There is no doubt that staff at HQ SCE are trying to ensure that there is transparency in their financial management and are involving head teachers in decisions regarding funding, mirroring UK practice where possible - but we aren't the same!

Reduced tour length for teachers

Posted by thegills on 15/05/2006 - 06:33

Why do SCE not limit the length of time that teachers may stay in one post. It is clear that some teachers become rather stale which is of no benefit to the school or especially the children.

Moving from Scotland to 'SCE-land'

Posted by deshart on 11/05/2006 - 15:40

In answer to the question from Robert Key, the difference between the Scottish and SCE systems did cause problems both in terms of syllabuses followed but also in more basic issues such as which year should a student be placed.

The system in Scotland is so different than that in SCE the arrival of a battalion previously stationed in Scotland was quite challenging. A different start time to the school year meant some students were in the wrong year group compared to their English system colleagues.

As a science teacher we had problems as there is no compulsion to study all three sciences to 16 as there is in the English system. We have no links with the Scottish Examination System so the incoming students had to adjust to our curriculum.

Working for SCE

Posted by deshart on 11/05/2006 - 15:27

I am a teacher working in a secondary school in Cyprus. I am also the Chair of the SCE Staff Side Unions which represent most of the teachers working in the Agency. As part of this function I have met many teachers working for SCE and have had the chance to visit many schools.

It is my impression that SCE provides an education that is better than the ‘English’ average. This is reflected in our results and through external reports such as Ofsted.

Despite being outside the UK mainstream our schools are up to date when it comes to current UK practice and indeed the resourcing we enjoy, alongside the smaller class sizes than UK, means our students get a very good education. As one recently arrived colleague who has his own school age children said to me, we offer a ‘public school’ education in a state sector setting.

Nepalese Children

Posted by bekibulmer on 08/05/2006 - 20:50

I am a Teaching Assistant in a Garrison Primary School. We are currently accepting many more Gurkha children into the School, as a result of the changes to the Army's policy on Gurkha families. For older children and those Gurkha children who may have been educated in English we provide a lot of support in 'English as an Additional Language', assisted by our local LEA Team. However, recently we have received a lot of younger children who speak only Nepalese. Coupled to that most of the other family members do not speak any English either. When about a third of a Foundation Group are Nepalese, who speak no English at all, and have no understanding of the culture that we live in, it proves very difficult to maintain a healthy learning environment for all the children. Are additional resources going to be made available to assist Nepalese Mothers and Grandmothers to learn English, or to train Teaching Assistants to learn Nepalese? Or, are there any other suggestions to overcoming the culture and language barriers?
With regard to information passed between schools, we do not receive any information from Nepalese schools.

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